(2014-01-27, 03:43 AM)maniacmusic Wrote: [ -> ]NodeBB offers a hosting service them self for people too stupid or lazy to follow a step by step guide and renting a VPS.
Cool, this didn't exist last time I took a look at it.
(2014-01-27, 03:43 AM)maniacmusic Wrote: [ -> ]What makes you think it is important to support people who don't know what they are doing and who have a ugly, outdated board on a free host that most likely wont be used and abandoned anyway.
Don't get me wrong, they shall have it, but personally I strive for major enhancements only technology like Node could bring and don't care that much about clueless people.
In general I'm with you, free hosts and outdated scripts aren't generally worth containing to support (Especially in the PHP community, PHP has come leaps and bounds in the past few years but there are still hosts running, and therefore people using, PHP 5.2!) however when I started learning web development that is what I did, I had a few web host, I had some files and I tinkered about. I ran a forum, it (obviously failed), but I learnt. I moved up to paid shared hosting, started something new, it did better but still failed. I kept trying. Now I run a large site, have multiple servers and know so much more that I would'nt've otherwise learnt had that simple entry way not been there.
(2014-01-27, 03:43 AM)maniacmusic Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh that sounds like I'm a horrible person, I do like to teach though - but I won't let such arguments hold back progress or stop me from recommending superior, open source software.
Likewise, don't feel as though I'm saying your wrong, I just get the feeling that the next generation of technologies don't seem to cater to the entry-level as much (I expect/hope that that will change in due time, as they become more widely used).
(2014-01-27, 03:53 AM)maniacmusic Wrote: [ -> ]Discourse is not even responsive.
Responsiveness is great for some things and it does make development tidier, but in terms of a full web application I'd actually prefer a dedicated mobile theme. That way you can cater for mobile devices much better (i.e. strip out unnecessary JavaScript or even include JS that would be useless on desktop, you can also bring down the page size by not serving excess HTML such as minor stats to mobile users). Compare the Facebook or Twitter sites to their mobile counterparts, both do the same things but you'd not have the same level of functionality if it was purely responsive.
(2014-01-27, 03:59 AM)maniacmusic Wrote: [ -> ]Look at that forum index and tell me it's like every other forum index.
It's a full screen experience, it's responsive and way faster than the rest.
It is not like other forum indexes, but that does not necessarily make it better or worse, it just means it different.
Watching the web requests, there is less than a 5% difference in loading times between my own MyBB site and the NodeBB community site (although its kinda hard to tell given the latencies of my internet)
(2014-01-27, 04:03 AM)Axareal Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, it looks even worse than it was before. So much clutter.
Discourse has plenty of clutter too, most forum platforms do. Having lots of stats and numbers are cool but they mean a lot of information to process. Personally I find that XenForo does the presentation of things like views, replies and dates the best, they're still there but they don't seem as obvious.