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Hi
I've been wondering why not to add some main features to the core public release of the software instead of using mods to do the job. I am not talking about particular mods or titled ones, but I mean the idea itself?
What main features?
If it's considered something that hardly anyone uses, then why would you put it in standard?
I think I will delay my reply to post an honest and fair reply with the things I do missing after 1.4 is out because I do not want to look or seem argumenting Smile
Feel free to put down your ideas - we'll be able to answer what is included and what is not.

You can find a list of features in MyBB 1.4 here: http://wiki.mybboard.net/index.php/1.4.0
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Feel free to put down your ideas - we'll be able to answer what is included and what is not.

You can find a list of features in MyBB 1.4 here: http://wiki.mybboard.net/index.php/1.4.0
mate ... that is really by no mean seems comprehensive forum, and let me rethink what will be included on any future release after 1.4.
And regarding things I am missing, to be fair it seems worthless comparing to the effort you put into MyBB 1.4 and sure it could be included in future release.
All of my needs had been met with the features I've read about in the next 1.4 one, just one thing still missing which is adding a description to the thread (I mean to have a thread title and a thread description fields ... but this is really countless with what I've read about and it can be done later on with future release).

One last thing that may seems off-topic but I have to say it ... while it was a brilliant effort to do the merge and convert system from other forums to MyBB, but I think the integration for MyBB and the most famous CMS or Blogging system is really in a great need which really will enable most users to be comfort when they think about any CMS-Blog integration. For example the current integration for Joomla or wordpress is not full because it does not support 1 global user login and the same for sessions which really considered the main target for the integration, and I do not say to have an integration with all existing cms-blog system but I am saying to have so with the famous only and you can make a pool for what cms or blog MyBB users prefer to use and according to the result you can drive. But again sure you see better then me because I am here do not see every thing behind my monitor. but it is just my suggestion. For example many prefer to use Joomla and or Drupal rather then MKPortal but they can not do it because there isn't a bridge or any thing exist. for my I do like and love MyBB and i am not talking about the 1.4 one but i am talking about the current versions which really not the same good as 1.4 will be. and I do not like MKPortal as well and I prefer to use Joomla or Drupal or Wordpress instead, and all existing integrators are not complete and really buggy. So in case you have time to think or do any thing in this regard that would be really great and will attract more and more people to use MyBB.
Thanks for your time and please note that I am not argumentative at all but just suggest from my point of view.
Thanks
Edit: I've updated the above post. Wink
Okay, so you suggested two things:

Thread Descriptions
It's very easy to make into a plugin, so you shouldn't worry to much. Why not include it as standard? I've been on a fair number of forums, and hardly any of them have thread descriptions. I've also noticed that there is usually very little need for such things as well (you can usually put the short description in the thread title).
For that reason, since most people don't need it, we won't be putting it in as a standard feature.

CMS Integration
Well, the most we can do is probably improve the portal a bit. It won't be as good as a fully fledged CMS, but with a few modifications, I think it does most of the job (display news, you could edit it to have multiple pages, show popular posts etc).

Integrations can only really be left to plugins (you cannot include an integration as standard). Integrations are also tricky, since we don't control the other script - if they do an upgrade, they could effectively break all our code.
The Merge system doesn't face as many issues because:
- it's not designed to have both scripts running in harmony
- it's a one off conversion process
- forum systems have many things in common (reduces complexity)

Whereas, if we have to deal with an external script (that's not even the same type of script), you're bound to be swamped with problems.


I hope you understand.
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:Okay, so you suggested two things:
Thread Descriptions
It's very easy to make into a plugin, so you shouldn't worry to much. Why not include it as standard? I've been on a fair number of forums, and hardly any of them have thread descriptions. I've also noticed that there is usually very little need for such things as well (you can usually put the short description in the thread title).
For that reason, since most people don't need it, we won't be putting it in as a standard feature.
If most people does not like such a thing and only a few prefer it then sure it is not a must to include in the standard and you are the one who can tell if people who are using mybb prefer to have it in the standard or not. and regarding have a plug-in I am really do prefer to do not include a plug-in at all to do not worry regarding any future upgrades.
ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote:CMS Integration
Well, the most we can do is probably improve the portal a bit. It won't be as good as a fully fledged CMS, but with a few modifications, I think it does most of the job (display news, you could edit it to have multiple pages, show popular posts etc).

Integrations can only really be left to plugins (you cannot include an integration as standard). Integrations are also tricky, since we don't control the other script - if they do an upgrade, they could effectively break all our code.
The Merge system doesn't face as many issues because:
- it's not designed to have both scripts running in harmony
- it's a one off conversion process
- forum systems have many things in common (reduces complexity)

Whereas, if we have to deal with an external script (that's not even the same type of script), you're bound to be swamped with problems.


I hope you understand.
How did I forgot about the exsting portal for MyBB!? Hahaha Wink
I think when it comes to MyBB portal I should tell that:
  • I think you should include a link for the portal in the standard install for MyBB 1.4 because in case someone like me who do not know about it, how should any one knows (I've known about it when someone told me about the path of the portal.php) and the ability to add some pages it would fit exactly and do the job.
    So please let me ask what is the plans you have for portal in the next 1.4 release!?
  • why not to include a link in the header for the forum and have the ability to let the forum load in the portal or the board index in case someone want to open the portal 1st or the forum 1st.
  • For example I am using mkportal now for news but really do not like it because it is not that much simple the same way MyBB does.
And you are right regarding the other scripts upgrades, I remember when I was trying to compare what forums to be used I found SMF is no longer suport the new Joomla. I did not think about or look to the issue the same as you did (like I said before that I do not see the whole view behind my monitor Wink).
I think portal can do the job fine to post news or add few pages.
Thanks
There are no plans for the portal for the 1.4 release. As stated before, 1.4 is already finalized feature wise. There are a few sites hosting beta's of MyBB 1.4 and apart from the themes page that is being worked on, there are no other feature requests at this point that will be put into 1.4.

Don't let this upset you now, 1.6 will include many features too. We however, are not releasing any details so don't ask.

And in all honesty, you simply can't say it should be a standard feature because you don't want a plugin. Do you know how many features we'd have to implement if we used that as the basis for adding features? The plugin system is very simple to use and I really don't see how you can say you don't want plugins.

Ryan
MGadAllah Wrote:If most people does not like such a thing and only a few prefer it then sure it is not a must to include in the standard and you are the one who can tell if people who are using mybb prefer to have it in the standard or not.
Try to imagine if we did this to every feature that wasn't used often.
- We'd have a lot more work
- Complexity grows exponentially the more features you put in (you have to make sure it doesn't break existing features)
- There is a much bigger likeliness for bugs
- We'd have to provide much more support
- It makes the size of the package bigger
- It makes the code larger, so the PHP parser runs slower to do more work
- By nature, the more features you have, the slower things run (eg additional checks to see if the admin enabled the features)
- ... and this, to most people, is unnecessary bloat
- It makes the AdminCP much more complex, and probably way too may options to the average admin
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