I can understand how there may be legal consequences for providing support to websites engaged in illegal activity. Therefore i don't see a problem with the current wording of the policy. However, in my opinion:
1) The support denied badge should be limited to members who refuse to carry the MyBB acknowlegment.
2) Members engaged in these types of activity, should be BANNED, and not labelled with a badge. These activities are illegal after all.
For ethical and legal reasons the MyBB Group also chooses not to provide support to websites containing any of the following:
Hacking (includes "leaks")
Pornography
Illegal file distribution or piracy
Illegal use of electronic assets, including but not limited to violation of theme licensing (e.g. removing author name from footer)
Any other forms of illegal activity
Racist or hateful content
Discussions that encourage, promote or demonstrate methods of producing, consuming, using, cultivating, buying, selling, distributing or supplying drugs that could reasonably be considered illegal
Edit: BTW the SEP page needs updating
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(2017-11-13, 07:00 AM)Ashley1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can understand how there may be legal consequences for providing support to websites engaged in illegal activity. Therefore i don't see a problem with the current wording of the policy. However, in my opinion:
1) The support denied badge should be limited to members who refuse to carry the MyBB acknowlegment.
2) Members engaged in these types of activity, should be BANNED, and not labelled with a badge. These activities are illegal after all.
For ethical and legal reasons the MyBB Group also chooses not to provide support to websites containing any of the following:
Hacking (includes "leaks")
Pornography
Illegal file distribution or piracy
Illegal use of electronic assets, including but not limited to violation of theme licensing (e.g. removing author name from footer)
Any other forms of illegal activity
Racist or hateful content
Discussions that encourage, promote or demonstrate methods of producing, consuming, using, cultivating, buying, selling, distributing or supplying drugs that could reasonably be considered illegal
Edit: BTW the SEP page needs updating
Powered by <a href="https://mybb.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener">MyBB</a>.
What's the point of banning or even having a badge, either way they'll make a new account and ask for support without providing their site URL and they will receive support sometimes even without the url.
(2017-11-13, 11:42 AM)Livewire Wrote: [ -> ]What's the point of banning or even having a badge, either way they'll make a new account and ask for support without providing their site URL and they will receive support sometimes even without the url.
Obviously, if the team is serious about it's SEP, then a URL needs to be presented before support is offered, publicly or privately.
(2017-11-12, 12:16 AM)TaylorCTU Wrote: [ -> ] (2017-11-11, 11:22 PM)Euan T Wrote: [ -> ]One of the main reasons that I see for the denied support marker is that people often confuse MyBB ("the product") as a forum host or some kind of controlling itnerest in sites running the software.
So because random people on the internet get confused Mybb has to deny it's users support? That makes no sense.
If some idiot tries to sue Mybb because someone else is running a hack/leak forum does the "denied support badge" legally help? I don't think so.
I don't like the hacking/leak forums either, but I think this move is hurting Mybb more then helping. If you provide people like the OP support we will get more participation, reports, and fixes resulting in a better product for all.
No, I'm meaning that the reason I can see for having any kind of policy is to make clear that MyBB don't condone some of the uses of our software. I didn't word that particularly well however so I can see why that might not have been clear
(2017-11-13, 07:00 AM)Ashley1 Wrote: [ -> ]I can understand how there may be legal consequences for providing support to websites engaged in illegal activity. Therefore i don't see a problem with the current wording of the policy. However, in my opinion:
1) The support denied badge should be limited to members who refuse to carry the MyBB acknowlegment.
I agree with this, but a warning needs to be included when a member links to such a site looking for help. Something as simple as NSFW, or "site contains content which may be illegal in your jurisdiction".
(2017-11-13, 07:00 AM)Ashley1 Wrote: [ -> ]2) Members engaged in these types of activity, should be BANNED, and not labelled with a badge. These activities are illegal after all.
MyBB cannot ban someone on this site because of activity on another site. Promoting such a site on MyBB would be grounds for banning, IMHO.
(2017-11-13, 08:43 PM)laie_techie Wrote: [ -> ]MyBB cannot ban someone on this site because of activity on another site. Promoting such a site on MyBB would be grounds for banning, IMHO.
Yes, they can, and they should. You can't denounce something on the one hand, and on the other allow participation of that which you denounce, if only in limited form. The implementation of the policy will always be flawed in that case, which is the case now.
(2017-11-13, 06:43 PM)Euan T Wrote: [ -> ] (2017-11-12, 12:16 AM)TaylorCTU Wrote: [ -> ] (2017-11-11, 11:22 PM)Euan T Wrote: [ -> ]One of the main reasons that I see for the denied support marker is that people often confuse MyBB ("the product") as a forum host or some kind of controlling itnerest in sites running the software.
So because random people on the internet get confused Mybb has to deny it's users support? That makes no sense.
If some idiot tries to sue Mybb because someone else is running a hack/leak forum does the "denied support badge" legally help? I don't think so.
I don't like the hacking/leak forums either, but I think this move is hurting Mybb more then helping. If you provide people like the OP support we will get more participation, reports, and fixes resulting in a better product for all.
No, I'm meaning that the reason I can see for having any kind of policy is to make clear that MyBB don't condone some of the uses of our software. I didn't word that particularly well however so I can see why that might not have been clear
Well I apologize for the misunderstanding. I agree with you on some level with your last comment.
(2017-11-14, 01:48 AM)Ashley1 Wrote: [ -> ] (2017-11-13, 08:43 PM)laie_techie Wrote: [ -> ]MyBB cannot ban someone on this site because of activity on another site. Promoting such a site on MyBB would be grounds for banning, IMHO.
Yes, they can, and they should. You can't denounce something on the one hand, and on the other allow participation of that which you denounce, if only in limited form. The implementation of the policy will always be flawed in that case, which is the case now.
No, they should not do it. Why should group be responsible for one's actions? What the hell:: group responsibility? Eye for an eye? Better idea - let modern Germans suffer because their ancestors started WW2. Nonsense.
And you use wrong names for things - what you describe is not denouncing - rather common sense and law (to some extend).
Dont want to write long stories as its waste of time for me, but I really do care what will happen with MyBB and cannot sit calmly while current team ruins all these years' effort of so many people and such a good script. I know I shouldnt say this but - forgive me my words -
stupidity of current team its the only factor to be blamed for current situation MyBB is in.
MyBB could be thriving, if only governed wisely. Instead its on the decrease.
Edit:: I strongly agree that giving SEP marker to someone who contributed to the project as much as Labrocca did is very deeply unfair. He leads hackforums based on MyBB. And what? Did he hacked into sth? Is he criminal? No!! Its unspeakable that someone stigmated him, having in mind MyBB wouldnt probasbly exist if it wasnt for Labrocca's donation. At least it wouldnt be so popular.
And not to mention I fully agree with post #7 on page 1 of this thread.
Post #7 in this thread is a shocking admission for a team member to make, in view of the SEP.
I also don't want to make long stories, and repeat points I have already made, especially since I think they have already fallen on deaf ears.
@Devs
Judging from your post above, and others that you have made elsewhere, I really doubt MyBB will be any better off with you in charge, which seems to be your solution to MyBB's downward spiral.
"And you use wrong names for things..."
stigmated - LOL
(2017-11-14, 09:04 AM)Ashley1 Wrote: [ -> ]Judging from your post above, and others that you have made elsewhere, I really doubt MyBB will be any better off with you in charge, which seems to be your solution to MyBB's downward spiral.
I want to see Devs put a proposal to the community.