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--- please refrain from personal comments so that we can have a healthy discussion & prevent unnecessary flame war here ---

(2017-11-14, 11:49 AM).m. Wrote: [ -> ]--- please refrain from personal comments so that we can have a healthy discussion & prevent unnecessary flame war here ---

I wasn't being personal, I was stating I wanted to see a user of this community put a proposal to the community. I can't see how this is going to invoke flame wars, as he should be permitted to, at the very least, do that.

(2017-11-12, 01:25 AM)Devilshakerz Wrote: [ -> ]The case was discussed months ago, however it wasn't acted upon yet - if the policy stays the denial notice might be altered to display the reason in selected places (support forums, R/S/J, PMs, profiles) publicly.

If we agreed to alter the SEP, my suggestion was to copy definitions of all universally illegal content (leaks, piracy, child pornography, hateful content) to global rules (possibly as extension to the Code of Conduct) and strip the remaining ones from the SEP to cut down on burden that's potentially unnecessary (it would still provide information on forums that encourage clearly unethical activities). The main function of the SEP notice would then be to inform about removed powered by messages to encourage support for the Project (which IMO should be relaxed to only require a link on index or About pages - if we decide to keep it).

(2017-11-11, 11:54 PM)Ashley1 Wrote: [ -> ]I notice some people who were previously labelled support denied now have the badge removed. So much for policy.

(2017-11-15, 12:22 AM)Ben Cousins Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-11-14, 11:49 AM).m. Wrote: [ -> ]--- please refrain from personal comments so that we can have a healthy discussion & prevent unnecessary flame war here ---

I wasn't being personal, I was stating I wanted to see a user of this community put a proposal to the community. I can't see how this is going to invoke flame wars, as he should be permitted to, at the very least, do that.

This was not aimed at you, 3 posts had were unapproved.

(2017-11-15, 12:22 AM)Ben Cousins Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-11-14, 11:49 AM).m. Wrote: [ -> ]--- please refrain from personal comments so that we can have a healthy discussion & prevent unnecessary flame war here ---

I wasn't being personal, I was stating I wanted to see a user of this community put a proposal to the community. I can't see how this is going to invoke flame wars, as he should be permitted to, at the very least, do that.

Cant see it either, but never mind........

Quote:3 posts had were unapproved

Hey Tom, what ???

(2017-11-15, 07:35 AM)Tom K. Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-11-15, 12:22 AM)Ben Cousins Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-11-14, 11:49 AM).m. Wrote: [ -> ]--- please refrain from personal comments so that we can have a healthy discussion & prevent unnecessary flame war here ---

I wasn't being personal, I was stating I wanted to see a user of this community put a proposal to the community. I can't see how this is going to invoke flame wars, as he should be permitted to, at the very least, do that.

This was not aimed at you, 3 posts had were unapproved.

Yes, I got several PMs to that effect. A little hard to delete posts when you don’t have the permission to delete posts.

People can be pretty stupid. They see the logo for MyBB and think "oh, that's who hosts the site". I've seen it happen time and again people confusing hosting for the software. (If someone asks for a good host... answering with MyBB is not the correct answer. You might as well answer "pudding".)
In that case ignoring them is an applicable answer. (Can't fix stupid afterall.)

So in interest of covering the backend, throw in another generic warning if you have to that people using the software do not represent MyBB, MyBB's developers or the group. That any admin using MyBB as a software is acting of their own accord and users of the software cannot hold MyBB liable for any potentially offensive material posted on that other party's site. (Basically once you leave MyBB.com, MyBB can't control what is encountered.)

I think having the denied badge can be useful, even for non-staff, since it tells them that the owner has a site that may be objectionable and lets them decide if they want to help or not. But the problem is that getting denied means all sites are affected (even if they no longer own/operate the one that got them denied). That's something I don't think is entirely fair. Especially as stated in the opening that a person can have 12 different installs but only one be an issue and that voids all of them.

So what might be a good idea is to implement a field that explains which site is denied (or at least the type of site that got them denied). So if they had hacksite337, Dogownersdream and ClassicRockMusic101... then the denied support might say "Denied support - hacking" so this way if they try to post to get support for it then people can figure out and decide if they want to. But if they post ClassicRockMusic101 then people/staff may give support.
To further this maybe have it necessary to include a url for the site they're seeking support for right in the opening. (Perhaps use a plugin to add text right into the topic creation post window asking for url, description of problem, etc...) If someone won't supply the url to their site then I'd think it fair not to offer support to them.

Now could people lie about which site is having an issue? Sure, but in that case doing so would end up risking their account. Either as denied support entirely (like no longer able to post in support locations at all) or being banned completely. Depending on the severity of the issue of course.

(2017-11-16, 06:46 PM)VirusZero Wrote: [ -> ]To further this maybe have it necessary to include a url for the site they're seeking support for right in the opening. (Perhaps use a plugin to add text right into the topic creation post window asking for url, description of problem, etc...) If someone won't supply the url to their site then I'd think it fair not to offer support to them.

Now could people lie about which site is having an issue? Sure, but in that case doing so would end up risking their account. Either as denied support entirely (like no longer able to post in support locations at all) or being banned completely. Depending on the severity of the issue of course.

The fact that no URL is being asked for presently, just shows that the team has no commitment to policy. Strange, for a team that continuously complains about lack of resources. Obviously the values of the team members who initially wrote the policy are different to those who are required to enforce it now.

(2017-11-17, 06:38 AM)Ashley1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(2017-11-16, 06:46 PM)VirusZero Wrote: [ -> ]To further this maybe have it necessary to include a url for the site they're seeking support for right in the opening. (Perhaps use a plugin to add text right into the topic creation post window asking for url, description of problem, etc...) If someone won't supply the url to their site then I'd think it fair not to offer support to them.

Now could people lie about which site is having an issue? Sure, but in that case doing so would end up risking their account. Either as denied support entirely (like no longer able to post in support locations at all) or being banned completely. Depending on the severity of the issue of course.

The fact that no URL is being asked for presently, just shows that the team has no commitment to policy. Strange, for a team that continuously complains about lack of resources. Obviously the values of the team members who initially wrote the policy are different to those who are required to enforce it now.

We do ask for one in most cases (see the majority of support threads), but there isn't any system in place that explicitly requires a URL. This was a feature that was planned to be added to the MySupport plugin, but hasn't been as of yet.

Although Jesse and I don't see eye to eye on many other levels apparently this is not one of them, his words could've easily been taken out of my mouth, apparently I am the literal 1% if not less of the members here denied support over a Marijuana section on my forum. Over the past 5 years my life could have been changed forever if I just had the simple support required to implement or change simple things that would have prevented a lot. Absolutely everything in the OP I agree with and I couldn't have personally said it any better.

I live in Oregon, USA where Marijuana is not only fully decriminalized but legal...

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